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the podcast where two friends chug

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wine, chat true crime, and unleash,

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learn worst, a mental assault in

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accents. Oh, hello.

1:28

Hello. And it's noon.

1:30

I'm currently drinking ice water. I am

1:32

too, except I found that

1:35

my can. Is that a beer? No, it's sparkling

1:38

water and my can is bulbous. And so I

1:40

have it sitting in a tiny dish so that

1:42

it won't just roll off my table. Because look

1:44

at the bottom of the can. It like popped

1:46

out. Nothing is

1:49

going right for me today. It's been hilarious.

1:51

It's been like... Botulism? No, I don't think

1:53

it's botulism, but we'll find out. Chug chug.

1:56

We'll find out. That's why you're burping so much. It's

1:59

all the gayest's. Probably. Also,

2:01

I'm Amanda. Oh, I'm Lucy.

2:03

Welcome. The day you're having

2:06

right now is my last Wednesday. Yeah,

2:08

you had a rough week last week. I'm just,

2:10

you know, I'm just on a... Suddenly

2:13

I have like 500 things to do today

2:15

on, you know, on

2:18

a day when I already had 500 things to

2:20

do. On a casual Tuesday. Yeah, exactly. But you

2:22

know what? It is what it is. It's burgers

2:24

and fries people. Nobody's, you know, nobody's gonna

2:27

explode if something doesn't get done. So

2:29

I'm just... Your can might explode. My

2:31

can might explode, but good thing I

2:33

have two of these

2:35

cans to... Okay. I don't

2:37

know what I'm doing. My sister-in-law showed

2:39

me a shirt yesterday that said, all

2:43

I want is serotonin and all I have

2:45

are these huge tits or something like that.

2:48

Huge cans! Honestly,

2:50

same. Yeah. But we're

2:52

thriving. That's what

2:54

meds are for, you know? Exactly. Yeah.

2:57

Well, today we have a pretty

2:59

entertaining episode. I mean, I would like to think

3:01

that all of our episodes are entertaining, but... God,

3:04

I hope so. Today's a little

3:06

bit of a goofy little goofster. We've

3:08

had a long string of

3:10

some of the darkest, tear-inducing cases

3:12

on record, so we needed something...

3:17

Let's get back to having fun. We

3:20

need something goofy. Okay. So

3:22

I kind of had

3:24

this idea because I was watching TikToks,

3:26

which we'll get to, and there's a

3:29

guy I follow on TikTok that... Well,

3:31

he reviews reality shows, and it

3:34

surfaced in my mind

3:37

how fucked up TLC

3:39

as a channel is. Bro. So

3:43

today's episode is

3:45

a gals pic, and we're calling

3:47

it WTF TLC. WTF

3:50

the learning channel? WTF

3:53

the learning channel? Y'all need

3:55

to take a nap. Take

3:59

a nap. a nap, baby. I'm

4:02

really excited to talk about

4:04

the shit show that is TLC.

4:07

I'm so glad, because I'm only focusing on one show,

4:09

but I imagine you're going to have a little more

4:11

of a cornucopia for us. I got

4:13

a couple of shallow dives, I sure do,

4:15

and there was no shortage. No. From

4:18

which to choose. The pit is bottomless.

4:22

And actually, like, the least controversial

4:24

show on TLC is my least

4:27

favorite, which is Dr. Pimple Popper.

4:32

I do like that show. I hate

4:34

the Pimple Popping videos, but I like

4:36

the Dr. Pimple Popper show, probably because

4:38

even if it gets like too much,

4:40

they even blur it out. And I'm

4:42

like, thank you. You see me, you

4:44

understand me. I'm there for the human

4:46

interest stories. I'm not there like you

4:48

and Courtney are for the popping videos.

4:50

No, I can't handle it. That was

4:52

that, no, I'm averse. I'm popping averse.

4:54

Courtney loves that shit. Courtney, sorry, Courtney.

4:56

Courtney is a sicko. I

4:58

love her. I love her too. Well,

5:01

before we get into all that

5:04

stuff, Amanda, what is our

5:07

wine crime pairing for what the fuck

5:09

TLC? I wanted to look at something

5:11

kind of fun that would

5:14

use the letters WTF. So

5:16

I Googled WTF wines.

5:19

Oh my God. And I found a

5:21

wine company based out of the UK

5:25

called WTF, which stands

5:27

for wine that's fruit.

5:30

Ah! Okay,

5:34

to be fair. Wow,

5:36

that's slow hanging fruit. To be fair,

5:39

the twist, if you could call it that,

5:42

is that this is a line

5:44

of canned fruit wines. So it's

5:47

not like a great cab.

5:49

It's not, no, that you

5:51

can make wine from other sweet fruits. Using

5:54

the same fermentation process without having to do

5:57

it with grapes. So it's not

5:59

with grapes. No.

6:01

Okay. They have the cutest branding,

6:03

and I just wanted to talk a little bit about

6:05

this company. We can't get

6:07

them in the US. This is like the worst

6:09

wine pairing of all time, but we do have

6:11

listeners in the UK. So y'all check out WTF

6:15

Wine That's Fruit. This is

6:17

a family-run business. They make

6:19

fruit wine from locally sourced

6:21

produce, helping support the community

6:23

in herfiture United Kingdom. Oh,

6:25

this is so cute. It also has like that underage

6:28

prevention screen, but because it's in the UK, it's

6:30

18 and not 21. Their

6:33

branding is adorable. Their can design is

6:35

phenomenal. I don't know who's doing their

6:38

photography and their graphic design, but it

6:40

fucking slaps. Their vision is

6:42

to redefine the world of wine one can

6:44

at a time. Not all wine has to

6:47

be the same. We endeavor to break the

6:49

mood, M-O-U-L-D, and bring

6:51

on a new era of fruit wine while

6:53

serving the UK. Their

6:55

mission is to make fruit wine that

6:57

can be enjoyed by everyone while creating

6:59

an ethical and responsible company, both socially

7:01

and ecologically. We aim to support our

7:03

community wherever possible and achieve carbon net

7:06

zero by 2025. So

7:08

they were founded in September of 2019. And

7:12

in November of 2019, they actually built a winery

7:18

in like their garden, like

7:20

at their house. My God.

7:23

That was equipped to make about 1200

7:25

bottles of wine. So

7:27

this was like an impressive at-home

7:29

operation. They hand pick fruits sourced locally

7:31

from farms in and around the heart

7:33

of the UK. In

7:36

August of 2020, they experimented by making over

7:38

30 variations of wine from recipes that

7:40

they researched and developed on their own. They

7:43

started doing tastings in March of 2021, and

7:46

people were loving it. And

7:50

they took people's feedback to pick

7:52

the most popular choices from participants

7:54

in those tastings and started

7:56

making them in cans. So the most

7:58

popular ones were apple, strawberry, and white

8:00

current and black current. So

8:03

by June of 2021, they teamed

8:05

up with a place

8:08

that can make these big

8:10

production, make these cans and develop it. They

8:12

started manufacturing in September of 2021. They

8:15

started working on their eco-friendly packaging.

8:18

They're minimizing their carbon footprint. Everything

8:20

is recyclable. And by

8:22

August 2022, the wines were canned,

8:24

sealed, and beautifully labeled, ready for

8:26

launch. So they did like, imagine

8:29

having this. Yeah. November

8:31

2019 is when they like made the garden.

8:34

God. I'm just like,

8:36

these people work their fucking asses off

8:38

and wanted to support like local farming.

8:41

Okay. I'm also looking at their meet the

8:43

team page on their website. Aren't they adorable?

8:45

They all have nicknames. We

8:48

have skillful Simon, resourceful Rachel,

8:51

savvy, Steve, party Peter,

8:54

coordinated, Caitlin, and naughty Nicole.

8:56

I tag yourself.

8:58

I'm not a Nicole. I'm party Peter. So

9:00

they do have a shop. You

9:04

can go to wine. That's fruit.com. that'swinethatsfruit.com.

9:11

And, you know, if you're in the UK, I do believe

9:13

they ship and they'll let you know where you can get

9:16

it. But yeah, they have taster packs. So

9:18

the taster pack has all of those favorites. The

9:20

white current Apple. Oh, wait, these have

9:22

white current Apple, strawberry, and raspberry. I

9:24

wonder if you can kind of

9:26

mix and match. And then, yeah, they

9:28

have the other taster pack, which has the black current

9:30

in it. That was also a favorite. But

9:33

these look so good. They kind of

9:35

remind me of like a canned cocktail. They're

9:38

around 13 percent ABV on the high

9:40

end and 11 percent on the low end. So

9:42

like they're not they're not weak. They

9:44

pack a punch, but you could still have one

9:47

or two and not be like a complete disaster.

9:49

These just look like such a fun, like hot

9:51

end of summer moving into fall wide. So I

9:53

wanted to feature them. I love

9:55

that. Yeah, why not? Why

9:57

not? But instead.

10:00

I'll toast my botulum

10:02

can and hit my pen

10:04

G botulinum toxin. Batulina

10:07

sick. It is like gaping.

10:09

It's pretty bulbous. It's pretty

10:11

bulbous. It reminds me of

10:13

a primordial pouch. Exactly.

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It's for speed. I love that. And

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for floating. When

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we need to take a little

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Amanda is going to

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TLC, but both of them withdrew

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guarantee that it would continue carrying

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don't wanna offer, you know, $50

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million for this channel if it could

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get slashed, viewership could get slashed by

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25%. And

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at the time TCI owned a majority

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stake in discovery communications. So it's a

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little bit wonky. Okay,

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that's the end of all the boring

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shit. Once TLC became a part of

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discovery, it dropped all of the formal

26:39

education courseware and

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shifted the programming to something more

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appealing to more affluent audiences

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and advertisers. So they were

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like, we're not trying to

26:50

track people who

26:52

are trying to learn. This is television.

26:55

What do you think this is, the

26:57

learning channel? It's entertainment. We'll

27:00

get to the tagline. By

27:02

the late 90s, the channel's documentaries

27:05

evolved into more reality style educational

27:07

programming. So do you remember the

27:09

show, A Baby Story? Yes. Yeah.

27:13

I have really vivid memories of watching A Baby

27:15

Story. I feel like A Baby Story is how

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we ended up with Teen Mom. Yeah. TLC

27:20

walked so VH1 and

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MTV and now Bravo could

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run, like for fucking real,

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dude. Bravo is sprinting. Sprinting.

27:29

They also had a show called Medical

27:32

Detectives, which later became motherfucking Forensic Files.

27:34

I knew it. I knew Forensic Files

27:36

had started on TLC. As

27:38

medical detectives. Awesome. So

27:42

then those led to home

27:44

improvement shows, like Trading Spaces.

27:46

Bravo. On Hinged. I

27:50

follow an Instagram account. I think it's called

27:52

Trading Spaces Out of Context or something. And

27:56

it's just screenshots with like

27:58

the captions of what people are saying. like

28:01

one the other day said it

28:03

had this horrific like vineyard

28:07

vine stenciling up around

28:09

like the molding. And

28:13

the lady who was looking at it said,

28:16

oh look, it comes decorated. Oh,

28:19

the makeovers on

28:21

that show were like good 5% of the time. They destroyed

28:24

so many of these houses.

28:26

It was incredible. It

28:28

was so good. Also the popular show, What

28:30

Not To Wear. I

28:32

was obsessed with this show. Like

28:34

forcing someone to listen to the most extreme

28:40

takedowns of their wardrobe while

28:42

on national television, having them throw

28:44

their clothes at a giant trash can. It's

28:47

so good. I mean, I'm not sure.

28:49

Having them throw their clothes at a giant trash

28:51

can. It's so cruel.

28:54

It's so cruel. I

28:58

can't believe this was a thing. Any of this. Yeah,

29:01

any of it. It was the late 90s.

29:04

Let me ruin your house. Let me throw out all your

29:06

clothes and tell you that you're like a fugly bitch. Here's

29:10

$500. Let

29:13

me show your traumatic birth experience on national

29:15

TV. Yeah. Yeah.

29:18

Oh my God. Okay. So in

29:20

1998, the channel rebranded itself as

29:22

just TLC and not the learning

29:24

channel. Cause no one's learning a

29:27

goddamn thing around here anymore. No

29:32

one's learned a goddamn thing around here anymore.

29:35

We use to make things in this country.

29:41

No one's learning the learning channel again.

29:43

No one's getting college credits anymore. No.

29:46

And the programming drastically

29:48

changed. And also at this

29:51

time, the network bid farewell to its children's lineup.

29:54

It had one? It had like

29:56

kids shows. Oh yeah. The paleontology and

29:58

space travel. Amazing space. Yeah. Training

30:01

spaces. They're like, oh, children should not watch

30:04

this. No, this is not right. Everything on

30:06

there is labeled like TVMA. There's

30:09

just a lot of bodily fluids

30:11

on that show, on that channel.

30:13

So much fluid. It's

30:16

real. It's raw and it's real. In

30:20

2006, TLC changed its tagline. Sorry,

30:23

they had a tagline which

30:25

was life unscripted. And

30:28

in 2006, they returned to their

30:30

roots by introducing a new slogan, Live

30:32

and Learn. They're really

30:35

using Learn loosely. Really

30:37

loosely. In 2014,

30:40

they rolled out a multi-million

30:42

dollar brand campaign and tagline,

30:44

Everyone Needs a Little TLC.

30:47

Oh, oh no.

30:50

So they launched this campaign

30:52

via print spreads and on air

30:55

ad spots across key media outlets

30:57

nationwide. According to

30:59

TLC GM, Nancy

31:02

Daniels, quote, the

31:04

tagline, Everyone Needs a Little TLC

31:07

speaks to our mission of bringing

31:09

viewers the content and experiences that

31:11

resonate with their lives and give

31:14

them a chance to satisfy their

31:16

fascination with the unknown and understand

31:18

the larger world around them. She's

31:20

like, yeah, we're bringing back the

31:23

problematic idea of a

31:25

freak show and putting it on your

31:27

television. Yes. Also, the

31:29

word fascination carries a lot of weight

31:31

in this quote. It sounds like a

31:34

slur. I know this context.

31:36

I mean, when you think about the types

31:38

of shows. Yes, I know. It is super

31:40

exploitative. Like Little People Big World. It's not.

31:43

It's yeah. It obviously

31:45

leaves a lot open

31:47

for discussion about ableism and

31:49

fat phobia and also the,

31:54

you know, the normalization

31:56

and representation of fat

31:58

people, people with disabilities

32:01

being on television, like

32:04

there are pros. People have sex

32:06

with their cars. Sure. That guy

32:08

was a whole situation. So

32:11

there are like pros to that representation, of

32:13

course, but then there are also, I mean,

32:15

the way that people have

32:17

absolutely torn apart these families because when

32:20

you open that up to the public,

32:22

people are fucking monsters. It's deeply

32:25

explained it to us. Yeah, it's a

32:27

snake eating its own tail and then

32:29

TLC is just raking in money. Also,

32:31

the tagline, everyone needs a little TLC

32:33

sounds to be like a soft core

32:36

porn selection on like a hotel TV

32:38

menu. Oh, like

32:40

that's how you find the porn at

32:42

like Holiday Inn. Yeah, everyone needs a

32:44

little TLC at the Holiday Inn Express.

32:50

Sick. I hate that so much. Get it.

32:53

So since TLC is essentially

32:55

just reality TV nowadays, here's a little

32:57

bit of psychology about why we love

32:59

reality TV so much. And of course,

33:01

we have done a reality show episode.

33:06

Pretty sure I talked more about the

33:08

psychology in that episode. Dr. Hailey Watson,

33:10

clinical psychologist and CEO of the mental

33:12

health education program Open Parachute also rolls

33:15

off the tongue. Love

33:17

that. States that we

33:19

are drawn to reality TV because it

33:21

excites us. Quote, seeing

33:23

scenarios that depict real life brings up

33:25

the same feelings that we would feel

33:27

if we were experiencing those situations ourselves.

33:29

I agree. This

33:31

releases hormones in our brain that suppress

33:34

other less pleasant emotions. I agree. That's

33:36

why it feels like such an escape.

33:39

You're drowning out anxiety.

33:42

Your own life. Your own reality. Your

33:45

own relentless life. Yep. It's

33:49

also, I mean, at its core, it's voyeurism. We

33:52

like to see ourselves in these scenarios, but

33:54

we also like to think that we are

33:56

superior to them. And

33:59

some TLCs. stars make that

34:01

really fucking easy. Let's go

34:03

get to the

34:05

trash. So these are I got

34:08

a few shallow dives into some

34:10

TLC controversies. OK, so

34:12

the first one is from the

34:15

show Cheer Perfection. Oh,

34:17

are you familiar? I didn't watch this,

34:19

but I followed a lot of the

34:21

scandal. So this. Yeah. OK.

34:24

Cheer Perfection was a show that aired

34:26

on TLC in 2012 that

34:29

followed a group of young

34:31

cheerleader cheerleaders at Cheer Time

34:33

Revolution, hereby shortened

34:35

to CTR, CTR, located

34:39

in Sherwood, Arkansas. The reality show

34:41

was known for showing the painful

34:43

realities of competitive cheerleading, like I'm

34:45

picturing doing a basket

34:48

toss and dropping or something like that.

34:50

It had the essential elements for a

34:52

reality TV show. However, the show only

34:54

lasted a year. What was the name

34:56

of that Netflix show? Cheer. Yeah. Was

34:59

it just cheer? I think it was just cheer. Didn't

35:02

they have a scandal, too? They

35:04

definitely, definitely did. And these scandals

35:06

are similar, are

35:08

similar. However, that show

35:11

did so well. And I

35:13

personally was entrenched when

35:15

it was like on Netflix. Yeah.

35:17

So they were ahead. The show

35:19

was ahead of its time in

35:21

the competitive cheerleading reality world. Yeah.

35:23

Reality shows. But yeah, only lasted

35:25

a year. And that is because

35:28

one of the moms featured on

35:30

the show, a woman named Andrea

35:32

Clevenger, was arrested in

35:34

January of 2014 on the accusations that

35:37

she sexually assaulted a teenage

35:39

boy on multiple occasions. Good

35:42

God. She turned herself

35:44

into the authorities after two felony warrants

35:46

were issued for her arrest. The

35:49

victim was a 13 year old boy who knew her

35:51

daughter. Presumably

35:54

the daughter was the cheerleader on

35:57

the show. Oh, no. According

35:59

to the. arrest affidavit reported by

36:02

Arkansas Matters, quote, the

36:04

boy told police the sexual assaults

36:06

happened at least three times. Oh,

36:08

my God. Once on

36:10

the sofa inside Clevengers home and

36:12

twice inside her vehicle. Oh,

36:15

she was like alone with this child. Oh, yep. This

36:18

is by far the grossest part. She

36:20

also got the boy to take photos

36:22

of his genitals

36:25

and text them to her. Oh, my God.

36:27

And she was a woman is sick. She

36:30

was caught because his

36:32

parents found the exchanges on

36:34

his phone. Can you imagine?

36:38

No, I'm

36:40

glad they were monitoring his fucking

36:42

phone. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah,

36:45

that's just awful. I mean, this is like

36:47

why. So my niece can use

36:50

the kid version of Facebook Messenger

36:53

and my sister's Facebook account

36:55

is like copied on every

36:58

single conversation that

37:01

she has on face on

37:03

that platform. And then unless she's like using my

37:05

sister's phone to text us, that's

37:08

the only time she has access

37:10

to like texting. There are like it's

37:12

just so scary to raise kids with

37:15

this much technology. It fucking freaks me the fuck

37:17

out between that and

37:19

like fucking school shootings. I can't.

37:21

I just hope that we can

37:24

go live on Mars by the time she's 10.

37:28

Get on that, NASA. You've had such a

37:30

good track record. As long as

37:32

Mars doesn't allow guns. No guns on Mars. Yep.

37:35

During Clevengers hearing in August of

37:37

2014, she pled guilty

37:39

to first degree sexual assault and

37:41

engaging a child in sexually explicit

37:43

conduct. This is

37:46

from the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette.

37:48

Quote, her 10 year sentence will

37:50

require her to serve two and

37:52

a half years before she can

37:54

qualify for parole. That's it. Yeah.

37:56

And her prison time will be

37:58

followed by a second. year

38:00

sentence that will be suspended on the

38:02

condition that she continues to keep away

38:04

from the teen once she's been released.

38:07

Just no. Okay,

38:09

so she'll keep away from the teen,

38:11

but what about all the other teens?

38:13

Exactly. And I know she's not going

38:15

to be hopefully allowed to like work

38:17

in a school or with children,

38:19

but that doesn't mean she won't have any access

38:21

to teenagers. Yeah. So she was released on August

38:24

21st of 2017. And these were, this

38:28

is a list of the special conditions placed

38:30

on her release. So she needed

38:32

an employment plan, total

38:34

abstinence from alcohol. She probably

38:36

blamed being drunk.

38:40

Internet access with assessment only. I

38:42

think that means like monitored internet

38:45

access. Parents could parental

38:48

controlled Facebook messenger. Yeah. Your

38:50

teenager can monitor your computer

38:53

activity. Uh-huh. No

38:56

unsupervised physical contact with

38:58

any minors. She

39:00

has to get mental health counseling,

39:02

periodic testing. I'm assuming like drug

39:04

testing. She must register

39:06

as a sex offender. She must have

39:09

no contact with the victim or his family

39:11

unless it's court ordered and

39:14

get a mental health assessment. And

39:16

so that's really gross, but that

39:18

was not the only stain on

39:21

the shirt of cheer perfection. A couple

39:24

of days after

39:26

Andrea's arrest in 2014, another

39:30

cheer perfection star was

39:32

arrested for possession of

39:34

marijuana. No.

39:36

On the opposite end of the

39:38

spectrum of seriousness of crimes. Yeah,

39:40

seriously. Like I wouldn't even

39:42

report on that after

39:45

this fucking... Well, TMZ reported

39:47

on it and I'm including a quote

39:49

from TMZ, which is very obviously published

39:51

by TMZ. Cheer

39:54

time revolution co-owner Ronald Dunlap

39:56

has been arrested for marijuana

39:59

possession. and possession

40:01

of drug paraphernalia. According

40:04

to the Sherwood Police Report, Dunlap

40:07

and CTR coach, Ryan Dahl,

40:09

who doesn't actually appear on

40:11

the show, it's just Ronald

40:13

who appeared on the show, were

40:16

popped around 1 a.m. this

40:18

morning after an officer claims

40:20

he found them inside Dahl's

40:22

car, which reeked of pot.

40:26

When confronted, the officer claims Dunlap

40:28

and Dahl fessed up to smoke

40:30

and weed and were placed under

40:33

arrest. The officer claims

40:35

he also found a glass

40:37

pipe in the vehicle. Uh-oh.

40:40

Deeply unserious. Deeply unserious, okay,

40:42

go off TMC. Especially in

40:44

contrast, I know, TMC. TMC

40:47

is immaculate. TMC is the

40:50

TLC of journalism. Okay,

40:52

so my next shallow dive is

40:55

about a little

40:57

show you might be

40:59

familiar with it called Here Comes

41:01

Honey Boo Boo. Girl, toddlers

41:05

in tiaras created, that's

41:08

how we got Honey Boo Boo. That is

41:10

how we got Honey Boo Boo. Wasn't she drinking Mountain

41:13

Dew, but she called it her go-go juice or

41:15

something? Yeah, straight from the two liter. This

41:19

kid was an icon, but all of

41:21

this kinda ruined

41:23

that family's fucking life. We'll get to

41:25

how much it ruined. Way

41:28

to go ahead, TLC. You're two for

41:30

two. So Here Comes

41:32

Honey Boo Boo was a reality

41:34

TV show that followed the life

41:36

of toddlers and tiaras competitor, Alana

41:39

Honey Boo Boo Thompson and

41:41

her family, including her sisters,

41:44

Chickadee, Chubs, and

41:46

Pumpkin, and her

41:48

dad, Sugar Bear. Oh, Sugar Bear. So

41:51

followed them through their day-to-day lives. The

41:54

show ran from 2012 to 2014. Shocks

41:58

me because... There's

42:00

two seasons. Two seasons of Here Comes

42:02

Honey Boo Boo, and they've stayed, at

42:04

least, Mabba June has clawed

42:08

her way onto television for so long that

42:12

it blows my mind that the

42:14

original show was actually only two seasons.

42:16

I know, well, yeah, yeah, same. I

42:19

was shocked about the two seasons thing, so I

42:21

was like, I feel like I see clips of

42:23

that shit constantly. I know, it was a lot

42:25

of content. The seasons of

42:27

these things are long, though, isn't it like 28

42:29

episodes or something wild like that? Maybe,

42:32

I don't know. I don't know. Anyway.

42:35

So the show got axed after its

42:37

two seasons on air after there were

42:39

reports about Momma June's connection with a

42:42

yet another convicted child molester. Yup. It's

42:44

a pretty gross theme we have going

42:46

on here, but it's just two. Only

42:49

two of my three shallow dives have

42:51

anything to do with child sexual assault.

42:54

Okay. I think, I don't remember what

42:56

my third. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah,

42:58

only two. Okay. Girl. I

43:01

am going to stop collecting my cat's hair.

43:03

Yup. Stop. I

43:08

threw it away and Corey was shot. He's out in

43:10

the trash and he goes. You were gonna bring it

43:12

to me for the live show. I

43:15

was gonna bring you the book. And the hair. Oh,

43:18

well, I threw the hair away. I thought we just agreed

43:20

on the book. You have two

43:22

cats of your own. It's in,

43:25

it's recorded. This was

43:27

a recorded, a consensually recorded

43:29

conversation. It was

43:31

recorded because it was the

43:33

vodka crimes. Oh yeah. Of

43:36

course I don't remember agreeing to bring you a bag

43:38

of cat hair. You know what? Fair.

43:40

Forgiven. Still broken,

43:43

but forgiven. I'm bringing the book. Okay.

43:46

Because you have two. Okay, back to this. Back

43:50

to Momma June. Right. Oh,

43:52

right. Oh, okay. So it was rumored

43:55

that she had been seeing a guy named

43:57

Mark McDaniel, a Georgia man convicted of aggravated

43:59

child abuse. molestation in 2004. This

44:03

was allegedly against June's eldest

44:05

daughter when she was

44:08

eight years old. Okay. So obviously, Mama June

44:10

had been hanging out with him in 2003,

44:15

He went to prison. He served 10 years in

44:17

prison and was released in March of 2014. She

44:21

immediately got back with him. That

44:23

is so fucking sick. To get back together

44:26

with the person who abused your child. Yes.

44:30

Yep. So that obviously caused a rift

44:32

between June and her

44:34

daughter. And

44:36

the relationship rumor came about

44:39

after Mama June and Sugar

44:41

Bears joint statement on the

44:43

show's Facebook page confirmed their

44:46

split. So but she'd been cheating

44:48

on Sugar Bear with this Mark McDaniel

44:50

guy for sure. Probably. I can't

44:52

say I've ever seen this show. Yeah,

44:54

which is I watch

44:56

a lot of reality TV and for some

44:58

reason this one just like I

45:01

don't think I'm going to get into that. I didn't.

45:03

I watched like a couple episodes of it and then I

45:05

was like this feels gross. It feels

45:08

like I need to take a shower

45:10

after watching this like my conscience needs

45:12

a shower. Yeah rinse

45:14

rinse off that you got to smooth out your brain a

45:17

little bit. Yeah. A network representative

45:19

stated quote TLC has canceled the

45:21

series. Here comes Honey Boo Boo

45:23

and ended all activities around the

45:25

series effective immediately. Supporting

45:27

the health and welfare of these

45:30

remarkable children is our only priority.

45:32

TLC is faithfully committed to the

45:34

children's ongoing comfort and well-being network

45:37

made the right decision. Mm-hmm. And

45:40

yet Mama June came back. You

45:42

can't get rid of Mama June. It's

45:45

like a bad penny. So

45:48

yeah TLC did the right thing

45:51

and so they

45:53

canceled the show. And so of

45:55

course Mama June denied seeing McDaniel

45:57

and then TMZ posted photos. of

45:59

her and McDaniel, this is so

46:02

gross, in a hotel room together.

46:04

Yeah, okay. I

46:06

don't think that it's ethical if TMZ

46:10

snapped those photos. Maybe, were they

46:12

leaked photos that they had taken?

46:15

Her and McDaniel? It just says

46:17

they posted the photos. Okay, well I

46:19

don't know. But I don't know what I will say about them. That'd

46:22

be gross if they took them through the window.

46:24

That's what I mean. That's like, ew, because I'm

46:27

just gonna endorse TMZ for one thing

46:30

here, okay? Because though they are the

46:32

TLC. The second time we've endorsed TMZ.

46:34

I know, right? While they are definitely

46:36

the TLC of journalism, they break a

46:39

story so fucking fast all the time.

46:41

And they're often like, right.

46:44

Like they're ahead of the story. They

46:46

broke, was it Kobe Bryant? Yes. Yeah,

46:48

they broke that story. I mean, let's

46:50

be real, Blortney gets like, all of

46:52

her breaking news from TMZ. She sends

46:54

us so many TMZ links. People and

46:57

TMZ. Oh, we're ahead of the press

46:59

circuit. We know

47:01

shit way before it hits Facebook. Thank

47:04

you, Blortney. Coming in live. All

47:07

of the Chris Watts stuff. Oh

47:10

yeah. That was, people was on

47:12

it. Okay, so

47:14

Mama June, TMZ publishes

47:16

these pictures. Mama June gets all defensive

47:18

about it. I'm not dating a child

47:20

molester who molested my own daughter. I

47:23

don't want my show to get canceled. So

47:26

she posted, this is an exact

47:28

quote. It isn't true, I

47:30

promise. My kids are number one priority

47:32

over anything else. And I would never

47:34

put them in danger period over this

47:36

or anything else. They are my life.

47:38

This is my past. I left him

47:40

10 years ago for it. And I

47:42

wouldn't go back. And

47:45

her daughter, Pumpkin told Radar Online that

47:47

her mother quote, left Mark 10 years

47:50

ago. Her

47:53

eldest daughter wasn't having it. There

47:55

was a rift there. In 2017,

47:58

Mama June went on to get

48:00

another. television show called

48:02

Mama June from not too

48:04

hot. Yikes. How

48:06

she got another TV show at this point is beyond

48:09

me, but it aired on

48:12

WeTV. You can currently find it

48:14

on Hulu. It

48:16

reportedly documents her weight loss journey from

48:18

460 pounds down to 160 pounds, 300

48:21

pounds. It's

48:24

a pretty incredible transformation, that's for sure.

48:27

Yeah, and she got, I got a,

48:30

she looks so bizarre. Yeah, yeah. I

48:32

think there have been a lot of

48:34

tweets to the face. Yeah,

48:37

cosmetic procedures, which like, you do you.

48:40

You do you. You do you. Yep. But

48:43

of course she had a lot going on in

48:45

her life, not just losing 300 pounds. On

48:48

March 13th, 2019, Mama June

48:51

and her then boyfriend, Gino,

48:53

were arrested and charged with

48:55

felony possession of drugs and

48:57

drug paraphernalia. It was a

48:59

crack at a gas station

49:01

in Alabama with Gino

49:04

facing an additional charge of

49:06

domestic violence. Great. She

49:08

later said that they together had a $2,500 a

49:11

day meth

49:14

habit. Yikes, that's a lot

49:16

of money. And

49:19

Alana Honeybooboo has like talked to,

49:21

I think Teen Vogue. She's

49:24

talked about her mom's drug issues

49:26

and addiction issues. So that's, it's

49:29

all out there. Following this,

49:31

the next season of Mama June

49:33

from not too hot was rebranded

49:36

Mama June colon from

49:38

not too hot colon family

49:40

crisis. Come on guys, colon,

49:43

colon, colon. Too many colons.

49:45

Triple colon. What

49:47

I wouldn't give. What I wouldn't

49:50

give for a colon

49:52

that works that hard. Yeah, I don't

49:54

even need a triple colon. I just

49:56

need one working colon. Ha ha

49:58

ha ha. A girl. dream.

50:01

The fifth season was

50:04

called Mama June, one

50:06

colon, Road to Redemption. And

50:08

then they changed it back

50:10

to just Mama June, one

50:13

colon, Family Crisis. For season

50:15

six in 2023. Six

50:18

seasons. Holy shit. Well, this is why

50:20

we see so many clips online because

50:23

not all the clips we see are

50:25

from Honeyboo. Here comes Honeyboo. I've seen

50:27

tons of clips from when they were

50:29

teenagers into adults. She stole like a

50:32

ton of money from her kids. She

50:35

sure did. So after

50:37

her arrest, Mama June lost

50:39

custody of Alana Honeyboo who

50:42

went to go live with her sister Pumpkin. Also

50:45

in December of 2023, her oldest daughter,

50:47

Anna, the one who was allegedly sexually

50:50

abused, died of cancer

50:52

at the age of 29. Oh,

50:55

dude. And this was a crazy episode. I

50:57

saw clips of this at,

50:59

I think it was Mama June's

51:02

house or something. They were hosting

51:04

a little family only, just the

51:06

girls memorial for Anna

51:08

to honor her. And

51:11

Mama June co-opted it and turned it

51:14

into a Vow renewal, like

51:16

a surprise Vow renewal with her

51:18

husband. Oh, my

51:20

God. This woman is the

51:22

fucking worst. Yeah. She had bought houses and

51:25

done all this shit with all this money

51:27

that was supposed to be in a trust,

51:30

a large portion of it. They were just going

51:33

to share it, obviously, with the family. Well, Alana

51:35

was a minor, but she stole a fuck ton

51:37

of that money, bought a bunch of shit, bought

51:39

houses and all this crap. And by the time

51:41

it was like time to hand over Honeyboo's like

51:45

account, it had like less than 20 grand

51:47

in it. And it should have been like

51:49

millions of dollars. Holy shit. That's awful. Yeah,

51:51

it's really, really bad. Well, I have a

51:54

new show to watch. Uh huh. Last but

51:56

not least, we have a short

51:58

lived TLC show. with

52:00

the title, My Husband's

52:03

Not Gay. No. Have

52:06

you heard of this before? No, what is

52:08

this? It's pretty self-explanatory.

52:10

I mean, yeah. But

52:13

how? How? My

52:16

Husband's Not Gay premiered as

52:18

an hour-long documentary special in

52:20

2015, and

52:23

folks were quick to realize how fucking

52:26

problematic that is. Mm-hmm.

52:29

So the show centered around, I think,

52:32

three Mormon couples? Of course

52:34

it's the Mormons. It's always

52:36

the Mormons. It's always the

52:39

Mormons. As they navigate

52:41

the fact that their husbands are

52:43

all attracted to men, but they

52:45

don't act on it. No, no.

52:48

They refer to this

52:50

as SSA, same-sex attraction,

52:53

as if it's not the same thing as being

52:55

gay, because they don't act on it. Well, and

52:57

if it's don't say gay, I'm

53:00

not gay, I just wanna blow a bunch of

53:02

dudes. I'm just struggling with my SSA. I

53:05

am in recovery from my SSA. This is

53:07

so fucked up. This is so fucked up.

53:10

I hate religion, dude. I

53:12

know, it's the worst. The worst. They

53:15

specifically do not wanna live the gay

53:17

lifestyle because of their Mormon religious

53:19

beliefs. In the lead

53:21

up to the specials premiere, more than

53:23

100,000 people signed a

53:25

change.org petition to get it canceled. Yeah,

53:27

don't fucking platform this. You know how

53:30

harmful this is? This isn't fucking kids

53:32

and adults television sets on

53:38

every spectrum of sexuality and gender. So

53:41

obviously it depicts sexuality as a choice,

53:44

which it is not. And it also promotes

53:47

conversion therapy, which is incredibly

53:49

damaging. I was just gonna

53:51

say it sounds like a

53:53

fucking conversion therapy PSA,

53:56

like paid ad. So the format

53:58

of the show, the documentary. quote

54:00

unquote, definitely suggests that they were planning

54:02

on making it a running series, which

54:05

didn't happen. So apparently the backlash worked.

54:08

Good. There's also a guy on

54:10

TikTok named Julian Hagen's. I

54:13

just know him from TikTok, but apparently he has a reality

54:16

show podcast called

54:19

Reality Rewatch. And

54:21

his commentary is so funny. He'll watch an

54:23

episode and then like, someone will say something

54:25

absurd and he'll like pause it and be

54:28

like, did

54:31

you hear what you just said? Give his commentary.

54:33

Yeah, I love it. I'm going to follow this.

54:35

At one point, one of the husbands asks his

54:37

wife if he can go on a camping trip

54:39

with like a bunch of dudes he barely knows.

54:42

It's an hour long shower with guys.

54:45

It's a golden shower. It's

54:47

a guy's afternoon in. A gay.

54:49

A gay. That's

54:52

not right. So

54:56

10 years later, all

54:58

of these couples are still married.

55:01

And most of them

55:03

are now therapists.

55:05

Yeah, probably to fucking spread

55:08

their message of you can therapy your way

55:11

out of being gay. Yep. At

55:13

least one of them says he specializes in

55:16

issues related to SSA. Wow.

55:20

Great. You're all fucking monsters.

55:23

My husband's not gay. Enjoy hell. Good

55:25

God. The damage that

55:28

that does is astounding.

55:30

It's astounding that girl,

55:33

you've dug up some problematic shit. I'm proud

55:35

of you. Thank you. So that is

55:37

my segment. I had a little bit of psych. I had

55:39

a little couple shallow dives and I

55:41

have a new goal for the remaining waning

55:43

days of the summer, which is to watch

55:45

every episode of Mama June shows. Just like

55:47

pirate it so she doesn't get any fucking

55:50

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55:52

on like- I'm not going through any legal

55:54

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55:56

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55:59

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sure did, the profit. Yeah, so that was around-

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sorry, I didn't reply. Oh, oh my God.

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I was hoping that I wouldn't wake you

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but no, she needs to know that I saw this at

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two in the morning and had to send it to her.

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Yeah, I did. Thank you. Okay.

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Thank you. Here we go with my presentation. Slide

1:05:28

number two, The Basics. Sister

1:05:30

Wives premiered September 26th, 2010, which

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was like really part of TLC's

1:05:37

problematic golden years. Absolutely. 2010 was

1:05:39

a wild time. The

1:05:41

show is considered a response to HBO's

1:05:43

Big Love, starring Bill Paxson of Twister

1:05:46

and Titanic and Now Dead, who was

1:05:48

the patriarch of a polygamist family. He

1:05:50

was the polygamist husband to three wives

1:05:52

who were played by Jean Triple Horn,

1:05:54

Chloe Savinji and Jennifer Goodwin. The I

1:05:56

didn't see that show. Did you see

1:05:58

that show? I heard all that.

1:06:01

But you're really selling it. It sounds amazing. I

1:06:03

think my mom watched it. She

1:06:05

would. Two weeks when this airs,

1:06:07

I'll be getting a text from her. I think she

1:06:09

watched it, but I

1:06:12

was never really into Sister Wives. I've only seen like bits and

1:06:14

pieces of it, which is part of why I had to make

1:06:16

this PowerPoint presentation. Cause I'm like, I had to teach it to

1:06:18

myself and this was the only way that I could do it.

1:06:21

The show has 18 seasons with the last airing

1:06:23

in August of 2023. So

1:06:26

this shit has stuck the fuck around.

1:06:28

I don't- Jesus Christ. I think that

1:06:30

it's done mostly because he's down to

1:06:32

one wife. So

1:06:34

like it's not really- Sister

1:06:36

Wife doesn't have the same

1:06:39

ring. And this last remaining

1:06:41

wife and all the

1:06:43

other wives like don't like

1:06:45

her. So I don't think

1:06:48

that there's a show there at this point. Amazing.

1:06:52

When the show initially aired and almost

1:06:55

until its completion, Cody and

1:06:58

his three wives shared 12 children

1:07:01

with a 13th on the way. I think now they have 18

1:07:03

kids in the family. It's

1:07:07

a lot. So these

1:07:09

are the wives. Cody, disgusting.

1:07:11

He's in the center here. Jesus

1:07:13

Christ. Top right. He looks wet.

1:07:16

I know. I know. Choices

1:07:19

were made. And Cody with a K.

1:07:21

Cody with a K. Top right is

1:07:23

Robin. She's like bottom

1:07:26

bitch. She's the favorite wife. I

1:07:28

can tell by the look on her face.

1:07:31

She's the preferred wife. There's drama with

1:07:33

that that we'll kind of get into. Top

1:07:37

left is Mary. And

1:07:40

I think she was his first legal

1:07:42

wife. We'll kind of get to that. Then

1:07:45

we have Janelle in the bottom right,

1:07:47

or bottom left and Christine in the

1:07:49

bottom right. So these are the four,

1:07:51

the seven brides for one brother. So

1:07:54

if you were like me and didn't super

1:07:56

watch the show, but have seen a million clips of

1:07:58

it, but also were like. how does

1:08:00

this work because

1:08:03

polygamy, bigamy, was

1:08:06

actually illegal in Utah where they lived and they

1:08:08

are a Mormon family, but they couldn't

1:08:10

be legally married to each other. So

1:08:13

this is how it works. It's

1:08:15

something called spiritual marriage.

1:08:18

And my featured photo for this

1:08:20

slide is, what's his face

1:08:22

from Book of Mormon? Oh my God. Quote, Cody

1:08:25

explained on the show that when he

1:08:27

was about 20 years old, he followed

1:08:29

his father's footsteps into a sect of

1:08:31

the Mormon church that believed in polygamy,

1:08:33

which is defined as marriage in which

1:08:35

a spouse of either sex may have

1:08:37

more than one mate at the same

1:08:39

time. Cause there's only two genders. Argh.

1:08:44

Men in the Browns family, apostolic

1:08:48

United brethren sect of the

1:08:50

faith, have a calling

1:08:52

to marry multiple wives. So this

1:08:54

is the sect that Cody

1:08:56

is in. And it is in

1:08:59

their religious practice, quote, have a

1:09:01

calling to marry multiple wives. It's like

1:09:03

written into their doctrine. No, okay.

1:09:05

Yeah, gross. While the law in

1:09:08

Utah did not allow for multiple

1:09:10

legal marriages, Cody would

1:09:13

legally marry one wife and

1:09:15

then spiritually

1:09:17

marry the others by

1:09:20

having these little commitment ceremonies for God,

1:09:22

but they wouldn't actually be able to

1:09:24

sign or register a marriage license because

1:09:26

it's illegal in the state. Yeah,

1:09:28

okay. So he was married

1:09:31

to one, spiritually

1:09:33

married to the others. Jesus.

1:09:36

So yes, I was correct. Here's the timeline

1:09:38

of marriages. And there's a really great family

1:09:41

tree, TLC

1:09:43

family tree on this slide as well.

1:09:46

So Cody legally

1:09:48

and spiritually, because it's both, married

1:09:50

his first wife, Mary Brown on

1:09:52

April 21st, 1990. So

1:09:55

this was their family long before they

1:09:58

didn't like do this for the show. The show. was

1:10:00

because they were already doing this. Okay. His

1:10:03

quote spiritual marriage to Janelle Brown,

1:10:05

the next wife to come into

1:10:07

the fold, followed in January of

1:10:09

1993. Then came

1:10:11

another spiritual marriage to Christine Brown

1:10:14

on March 25th, 1994. He

1:10:18

last but not least spiritually

1:10:20

married Robin in season

1:10:22

one of the shows, almost

1:10:25

10 years later in May of 2010. Wow.

1:10:29

And Robin is the favorite. Robin is his

1:10:31

favorite. Because she's the newest. She's the newest.

1:10:34

And the other three, Mary, Jordan,

1:10:37

and Christine were like really good

1:10:39

friends. They got along really well.

1:10:41

They co-raised their children together. They

1:10:43

had like a great schedule with

1:10:46

I guess, fucking Cody, you biorh.

1:10:49

I fucking cannot. Ish. I'm

1:10:52

going to lose my mind. Did

1:10:55

they all live in different houses at the

1:10:57

beginning? Because I know towards the end they

1:10:59

did. They've had several properties and

1:11:02

they would almost have like their own pods

1:11:05

and like little guest homes on the

1:11:07

property that the wives could go to, but they

1:11:09

also spent a lot of time in one large

1:11:11

house. So they've kind of done both.

1:11:14

The wives started expressing

1:11:16

on the show that they felt Robin

1:11:19

got special treatment above all the other

1:11:21

wives after her arrival. One

1:11:24

of the things that they noted

1:11:26

was that like, I guess for

1:11:29

some reason this is really upsetting to them. And

1:11:31

I respect it, but I also don't get it.

1:11:34

For all the marriages, like all

1:11:36

the weddings, Cody had

1:11:38

not been super involved in like

1:11:40

the quote unquote women's side of

1:11:43

the preparation. So like

1:11:45

the dresses, the wedding gown, like

1:11:47

any of that stuff. But

1:11:49

with his spiritual marriage to Robin, he was

1:11:52

like going above and beyond and he like

1:11:54

helped her pick out her wedding dress. And

1:11:57

the other wives were like, bitch,

1:11:59

she didn't help us with. He's

1:12:01

out here fucking helping you pick out your

1:12:03

wedding dress. I don't like this. I don't

1:12:05

like it either. And it

1:12:07

was just like kind of the vibe. Like he

1:12:10

seemed to be prioritizing time with her and

1:12:12

the other wives just were not,

1:12:15

were not feeling it. Robin kind of came in and

1:12:17

wasn't really getting along with the other wives right

1:12:19

out of the gate, I guess. Then

1:12:22

in 2014, marry his legal wife

1:12:24

and Cody divorce, but stay

1:12:26

spiritually married and they do

1:12:28

this so that Cody can

1:12:30

legally marry Robin. I

1:12:32

was going to ask if like the

1:12:34

legal marriage holds more weight than

1:12:36

the spiritual one. It does because,

1:12:39

and part of the reason why

1:12:41

people were freaking out about this,

1:12:43

Robin can now make like legally

1:12:45

co-make decisions of a financial

1:12:47

nature. What property they own.

1:12:49

He could put her on insurance,

1:12:54

property, deeds, like all kinds of

1:12:56

shit. And like she was, she

1:12:58

was like spending money and helping

1:13:01

pick out houses and like all this

1:13:03

shit. She had more power in

1:13:05

the eyes of the law and in

1:13:07

Cody's eyes than the other wives. Many

1:13:09

speculate this was the result of the quote,

1:13:11

special bond between Cody and Robin, but

1:13:14

Mary asserted and agreed to it. She

1:13:16

said for the kids quote from TLC,

1:13:18

this was a decision that Mary made

1:13:20

so that Cody could legally adopt Robin's

1:13:22

three kids from another marriage. Those

1:13:25

showed her were Dayton, Aurora, and Brianna.

1:13:27

So Cody and Robin, as far as

1:13:29

I know, never had any children

1:13:31

together because they're both older when they got married and

1:13:33

she has three, you know, pretty much grow.

1:13:35

Like at that point, older kids. She

1:13:38

didn't need more kids. She didn't need more kids,

1:13:40

but he wanted to be able to legally adopt

1:13:42

her children to bring them into the whole family.

1:13:45

And so Mary agreed to a divorce so that

1:13:47

Robin could marry him and it would make the

1:13:49

process of him adopting the children much easier. Oh,

1:13:52

okay. This is already so fucking messy.

1:13:54

It's so messy. The

1:13:56

bonds drift further among the spiritual

1:13:58

wives after a. scandal with Mary

1:14:00

that we'll get to and mostly

1:14:03

the COVID-19 pandemic. Quote, at some point

1:14:05

during the COVID-19 pandemic, Janelle advised Cody

1:14:07

not to visit her house because two

1:14:09

of her adult sons who lived at

1:14:11

home were socializing with friends. So it's

1:14:13

like, don't come over here, you know,

1:14:16

David, or not David, one of

1:14:18

their sons, I don't know, it has not been following

1:14:20

protocols, like I don't want you to get COVID, which

1:14:22

is reasonable. But then like, they're

1:14:25

starting to drift apart because he's not visiting with

1:14:27

him, with her or the kids. He

1:14:30

stopped visiting Christine's house because she chose to

1:14:32

travel to visit her children who lived away

1:14:35

from home. He said he had strict rules

1:14:37

in place like asking people to change clothes

1:14:39

every time they went out and to disinfect

1:14:41

their mail to try and prevent his family

1:14:44

from getting COVID, especially the young kids, which

1:14:46

like, okay, sure. I remember

1:14:48

when we were first in COVID, I was

1:14:50

fucking disinfecting all my groceries.

1:14:52

Groceries, yeah. But we kind of figured

1:14:54

that out soon. And the most egregious

1:14:57

part of this is coming. So Cody's

1:14:59

refusal to visit any household other than

1:15:01

Robyn's also caused tension between him

1:15:04

and Janelle's sons, who lived with her at

1:15:06

the time. They confronted him on an episode

1:15:08

of Sister Wives and also called Robyn and

1:15:10

blamed her for making the rules and tearing

1:15:12

their family apart. They're like, you never even

1:15:15

see us. But they're his sons too. Yes,

1:15:20

his sons with Janelle, but she also

1:15:22

had, she was divorced, she had another husband before

1:15:25

that I think she had some kids with. Oh,

1:15:28

okay. But it's like either way, they're part of

1:15:30

the family and Cody is just like, well, I'm

1:15:32

fucking off because it's COVID. I'm going to chill

1:15:34

here with Robyn while you guys are, you know,

1:15:36

100 yards away in another house, but I'm not

1:15:38

going to come spend any time with you because I don't want to

1:15:40

get sick. And the kids were

1:15:42

finally like, this is bullshit. Like, yeah,

1:15:45

come on, dude. Yeah. Cody maintained

1:15:47

that he had made the rules in

1:15:49

order to protect the children. However, fucking

1:15:52

Cody and Robyn didn't get

1:15:55

vaccinated. What? So he imposed

1:15:57

all these rules for quote unquote, the safety

1:15:59

of his family. which to me sounds

1:16:01

like I don't want to deal with all

1:16:04

of you. I'm with Robin, but I don't

1:16:06

want the public backlash of leaving

1:16:08

my other wives and then I lose my show because

1:16:10

if I don't have my sister wives then what the

1:16:12

fuck am I even about? Oh my

1:16:14

God. But they wouldn't get

1:16:16

fucking vaccinated. Never even got vaccinated. I don't know if

1:16:18

they're vaccinated now, but like when vaccines came out they

1:16:20

didn't get them. They did not

1:16:22

get vaccinated. But they were so

1:16:25

fucking worried. It's so fucking annoying. So

1:16:27

this rift compels Christine to divorce Cody and

1:16:30

leave the family in 2021 with

1:16:32

the support of spiritual wife Janelle.

1:16:34

And this is these are not

1:16:36

legal marriages. So divorce is basically

1:16:38

like bye. I'm out. I'm out.

1:16:40

Moving out. Bye. Janelle

1:16:43

then leaves Cody in 2022 and Mary and Cody call

1:16:45

it quits in January of 2023. So

1:16:48

now Cody is just with Robin. So

1:16:50

the what the other women took their

1:16:52

kids. I believe were also his kids.

1:16:54

Yeah. And some are I

1:16:57

mean some are grown and completely out of the

1:16:59

house. I think there's probably a joint custody situation

1:17:01

with the kids that they share. Any kids from

1:17:03

the previous marriages just stayed with

1:17:05

the moms. OK. But

1:17:07

you know they also were getting

1:17:10

some they were getting money for being on

1:17:12

the show and having like the family interact.

1:17:14

So I think even after breakups there were

1:17:16

still like episodes that focus on

1:17:18

the friendships like the remaining friendships between the

1:17:20

spiritual sister wives and so that they could

1:17:22

still have some storylines. Mary

1:17:25

and Cody like I said call it quits in

1:17:27

January of 2023 and we're going to get to

1:17:29

why that is now. This was

1:17:31

the scandal that rocked the family.

1:17:34

OK. So the banana. Oh

1:17:36

it's a banana honey. I

1:17:39

can't wait. Insider. Oh

1:17:42

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